Speak from the Peak 1 Tim 2:11 Eva May Peterson LUTHER Born 29NOV1907, Eva died 29AUG2004. She was 96 years old. ever Heard of her?. 3 kids, 10 grand 8 grands. Married to a man who died
- What I know about Mrs Luther is that she was my first Sunday school Teacher when I was 4-5yo
- ancient ,about 75, deep wrinkles, crooked teeth, smelled like a well worn sweater.
- earliest memory teaching me about Jesus. Felt board. She hugged me. I felt loved by her.
- On Aug10-90, I got born again, the Holy Spirit brought to remembrance so many truths that were buried deep in my heart. Jesus died for me. Jesus loves me. Jesus is the Son of God.
- Undoubtedly some of the truths of 15 yo heart, were the seeds planted by MRS Luther.
- not sure what she thought or knew about the Bible. Did she live out 1 cor 14:34 and 2 tim 2:11? or Was she A rebel. Unbiblical. Menace. Usurper. Dangerous. Was God displeased with her work In church?
These are the clobber verses that everyone uses to dismiss all women from ministry in Church
- 1 Tim 2:11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. 12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
- 1 Cor 14:34 Your women in the assemblies let them be silent, for it hath not been permitted to them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith; 35 and if they wish to learn anything, at home their own husbands let them question, for it is a shame to women to speak in an assembly.
- To some people, they interpret these verses as a infinite absolute prohibition from women being used in ministry. At least not in the Pulpit. Unless only women present. Or if they write book, or podcast, or to the youth or kids. Even if there is males there. But not here. Right here.
- I don’t what Mrs Luther was thinking, but she taught all us young men back then. Marcus, Matthew, matthew and Andrew The pastors 3 boys. Maybe she’s in the lake of fire
- The easiest interpretation
- I don’t have a problem with either one of these verses. They are without error and fully inspired. The problem is, the easy interpretation by armchair theologians to silence women
- We have to get this right. If you’re going to remove 50% of your workforce and relegate them to the sidelines, you better have good Justification. You can’t be quip about it. Sorry you’re afraid of women.
- Just like my views on predestination to Hell, I don’t agree that God created women to be sidelined in the church and the World. We have a church full of powerful spirit filled women of God given gifts by HS
- According to pew research women outperform men in Weekly attendance, daily prayer, commitment, Belief in heaven and hell, and belief in Angels. Women are more religious.
- By the numbers- Christianity appears to be a religion where women are the 60% majority.
- The simplest interpretation of the Corinthians verse: it is in the context of prophecy, and that the women were probably disrupting the service by asking questions they could have asked at home
- The cultural norm of the synagogue was after reading, men would discuss and they were interrupting this discussion with questions. This was a time bound Specific prohibition, not general and timeless
- refutation- He allows prophesy in 11:5 But every woman who prays or prophesies
- Either Paul was contradicting himself in the same book, or its been misinterpreted by men.
- The simplest interpretation of the Timothy verse: Paul was writing to Timothy in Ephesus. Acts 19 mentions the Temple of Diana, which is also the Temple of Artemis. She was the Greek God of Childbirth. People in ephesus would make sacrifices to not die in childbirth. Paul warned Timothy
- Many Argue that Paul was forbidding women to teach in the Ephesus Church because of this false god. The follow up verse of 15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control. Does NOT mean that women are saved through the bearing of Children. It means that the false doctrine being taught by women to appease the false deity of Childbirth was to be stopped. Women will be ‘protected’ no need to invoke the false God. God will take care of them.
- Athenteo- proper interpretation- “not yet allow” and “preach that she has authority over man”
- Sidenote? Why is it that all the men I know who question this don’t lift up holy hands and pray?
- $64,000 question
- There was a game show back in the 50s called “the 64k question” double up. Big prize
- Today’s Definition- very important question that is very difficult to answer
- Were these two prohibitions specific and time bound or general and timeless. They were specific
- Only you can answer that question for yourself. I am going to share you a HUGE amount of scripture to convince you that it must be specific and time bound. I do not believe it to be general and timeless. There is too much involvement of women in the WHOLE bible. Remember the hermeneutic I taught you
- I am ready to stand before God with my wife and say we were one flesh for the Gospel.
- The Story of Redemption
- Our Story of faith is a story of redemption. A story that began with Adam, concluded with Jesus and lives in us until his return. Either Christ redeemed it all, or he didn’t redeem it at all
- Our lived experience today in Jesus Christ is a direct reflection of two major events- The garden of Eden, where sin entered the world, and the resurrection where sin was destroyed. It changed everything
- Jesus was the second adam according to 1 Cor 15:45 and has now “left nothing that is not put under him” according to Heb 2:9. “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.” According to Rom 8:2
- There’s verses some describe as the emancipation proclamation verses that bring equality.
- Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
- Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy Fulfillment- acts 2:2-4 they were ALL filled.
- This goes with 1 cor 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink [a]into one Spirit Col 3:11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all Eph 2: 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 1 Cor 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
- Jesus came as a redeemer- To reestablish that what was lost in the garden. (EVE helper- Ezer)
- RESURRECTION GAVE US- Restored Relationship with God (Ro 5:10, 2 Co 5:18-19). Defeat of Satan: (Gen 3:15 M4:1-11, Redeemed and Saved: (2 Cor 5:21) Restoration of all Creation (Ro 8:19-21, Rev 21:1-5). New Life: born again, new creation, new life, made new, (2 Cor 3:18, Co3:10).
- How does that story show the redemption of all things and yet the rejection of all women?
- IF women aren’t redeemed and filled with the gifts why do we see them operating in them?
- Bible says we are co-heirs with Christ (Rom 8:17) Abrahams offspring (Gal 3:29) to reign with him (2 Tim 2) Will judge the world (1 Co 6:2) Judge the 12 tribes (Luke 22) Sit on the the throne with Jesus (Rev 3) Authority over nations (Rev 2) Possess the Kingdom (Dan 7) Recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Mt 8:11) ALL THAT- But not Speaking. NO
- Redeemed to teach and raise their kids, serve in kids, min, women, music, helps etc, as an EZER to Their husbands as one flesh. Smart enough to do physics, surgery, law, CEO, heads of state, house wives that can figure out all manner of all things and charged to preach the Gospel to all creation ALL SCRIPTURES EQUALLY APPLY TO THEM IN ALL INSTANCES, Used in all forms, with books, TV, podcast, SM, tracts, street preaching, etc etc, but not across this threshold in a pulpit to men forever. Stay silent.
- It doesn’t even say to only be silent in service. Take it that way- Start being silent the whole time you’re here. Don’t even talk to each other. Only let the men speak. You should remain silent. Be consistent!
- The cultural Context
- Here comes Jesus, God in the flesh, into the first century society and starts with women publicly. Completely destroying the cultural norms at the time
- Mary Magdalene: She was a follower of Jesus and was present at his crucifixion, burial, and resurrection (Ma 27:56, Mk 15:40, Mk 16:1, Lu 24:10, Jn 19:25, Jn 20:1-18).Martha and Mary of Bethany: sisters and close friends of Jesus. Martha wanted to work- Jesus told to Mary sit at his feet to listen to his teachings (Luke 10:38-42, John 11:1-44). The Samaritan woman at the well: Jesus had a conversation with her and revealed that he is the Messiah (John 4:4-42). The woman with the issue of blood: She touched the cloak of Jesus, believing that she would be healed. Jesus commended her faith and healed her (Matthew 9:20-22, Mark 5:25-34, Luke 8:43-48). The Syrophoenician woman: She pleaded with Jesus to heal her daughter, and Jesus praised her faith and granted her request (Matthew 15:21-28, Mark 7:24-30). The woman caught in adultery: Jesus demonstrated mercy and forgiveness when a group of people brought a woman caught in adultery before him (John 8:1-11). The widow of Nain: Jesus raised her son from the dead during a funeral procession (Luke 7:11-17). Jairus’ daughter: Jesus brought her back to life after she died (Matthew 9:18-26, Mark 5:21-43, Luke 8:40-56). Joanna, Susanna, and many others: These women were disciples of Jesus who accompanied him and the twelve apostles, providing support and resources for their ministry (Luke 8:1-3). Women who ministered to Jesus and followed him (Matthew 27:55) and MOST importantly, the FIRST people to go and Share that Jesus was RISEN FROM THE DEAD (Matt 28) Which to some, doesn’t seem like a big deal.
- The Talmud: Babylonian Talmud, in Yevamot 88b, states that “women are not believed with regard to testimony.” Greco-Roman Culture: Aristotle: argued that women were inferior to men and incapable of participating in public affairs. This perspective could influence their perceived reliability as witnesses in legal and political matters. Roman Law: In Roman law, women had limited legal rights and were often excluded from public life. Their testimonies were considered less reliable compared to men, particularly in legal proceedings.
- Why would Jesus trust women with his message then? Why have them bring Gospel from Grave?
- In an honor-shame society where you lose honor, Jesus is giving all of his away!
- Why minister to women? Why allow them at all Be involved in the process?
- fulfilled all of the law of the OT. OT- Priests, prophets and Kings He HAD to be anointed. Right before he went to the cross, had to fill it. (women were the ones waiting to anoint him after burial)
- Who anointed him with oil? Who performed this? WOMEN. For Prophet, Priest, King
- And then Jesus says- Matthew 26:13 Assuredly, I say to you, wherever this gospel is preached in the whole world, what this woman has done will also be told as a memorial to her.”
- I have never heard any other preacher other than myself refer to this woman in the presentation of the Gospel. I’ve tried to include it in the past weeks. I bet you have never or RARELY heard it mentioned
- Jesus says- WHEREVER the GOSPEL IS PREACHED reference this WOMAN. But who does that?
- Church fathers on Women men who were close to the foundations, not polluted by culture
- for there are women who teach as well as prophesy.” – Clement of Alexandria (c. 150 – c. 215) There were women who preached the Word of God, like Mary, and there were women who prophesied, like Anna.” – Origen (c. 185 – c. 254) If any woman can teach, why should she not do so, when she is a handmaid of the Lord?” – Tertullian (c. 155 – c. 240) “It is permissible for her to teach, baptize, and perform many other ministries; no less than it is for men.” – John Chrysostom, On the Priesthood Jerome (c. 347-420): “Women also prophesy, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles and as Paul said in 1 Cori 11:5. And if a woman may prophesy, surely she may speak with tongues, teach, and exhort, and do many other things which men may do.” – Jerome, Commentary on 1 Corinthians (Commentary on 1 Corinthians 11:5) It is not the order of nature, but of customs that has set up a law forbidding women to speak in the church. If someone were to examine it in the light of truth, he would find that the ordinance was directed not against women in general, but against a certain kind of woman.” – Gregory of Nyssa (c. 335-395): On the Making of Man (De Opificio Hominis) “I have known many women of excellent understanding, who have been truly called to instruct others, and have laboured in the work with great success. And it is not improbable that God will own their labour, by adding a peculiar blessing thereto.” – John Wesley, “Thoughts upon Methodism” (1786) “Therefore, if women at present receive public baptism, let them not think it an obstacle in the way of their true calling, as if they were prohibited from bearing witness to God in the Church, or hindered from acting as His instruments.” – John Calvin, Commentary on 1 Cor14:34 “Let no one think that women are not capable of such things [preaching or teaching]… In the old days, Deborah was both a prophetess and a judge in Israel, and Huldah was a prophetess in Jerusalem (2 Kings 22:14). Moreover, the four daughters of Philip (Acts 21:9) were also prophesying.” – Martin Luther, “Sermon on the Gospel of John, Chapter 4” (1537) “I would have the women lay aside their desire to usurp authority, but I would have them remain everywhere as the equals of men. They are the complements of men, and therefore men ought to be proud of them. Woman was not taken out of man’s head to be his ruler, nor from his feet to be his slave, but from his side to be his equal, from under his arm to be protected, and from near his heart to be loved.” – Charles Spurgeon, “The Greatest Fight in the World” (1891)
- The history of the OT
Deborah: Deborah was a prophetess and judge in Israel (Judges 4:4-5).Huldah: Huldah was a prophetess who was consulted by King Josiah prophesied judgment on the nation (2 Kings 22:14-20).Miriam: Miriam was a prophetess led the women of Israel in singing and dancing (Exodus 15:20-21).Jael: Jael was a woman who killed the Canaanite general Sisera by driving a tent peg through his temple. She is praised in a song in Judges 5:24-27. Abigail: Abigail was a woman who saved her husband Nabal and her household from David’s wrath by taking food and gifts to David and his men. When Nabal died, David married Abigail (1 Samuel 25). Esther: Esther was a Jewish queen who saved her people from a plot to exterminate them. She bravely risked her life to approach the king and reveal the plot, and he granted her request to save her people (the Book of Esther). Hannah’s Prayer: Hannah was barren and prayed to God for a child. When she gave birth to Samuel, she prayed a beautiful prayer of thanksgiving and praise to God, which is recorded in 1 Samuel 2:1-10. The Woman of Tekoa’s Appeal to David: In 2 Samuel 14, a woman from Tekoa approaches King David and pleads with him to reconcile with his son Absalom. While not a traditional prayer, her appeal to David is a powerful example of a woman’s voice being heard and respected in the Old Testament. Bathsheba Spoke To King Solomon for Adonijah. I Kings 2:19 NKJV “Bathsheba therefore went to King Solomon, to speak to him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her and bowed down to her, and sat down on his throne and had a throne set for the king’s mother; so she sat at his right hand.” What is the most powerful position a person can sit with the king? THE RIGHT HAND> 2 sam 20 a woman spoke with authority to Joab to direct the affairs of Israel There was a Queen of Sheba (1 Ki 10:13)genesis 36:41 Shows Women chiefs timnah aholiamah I Chronicles 1 Woman Chief Timnah of edom I Chronicles 7:24 daughter was Sheerah, who built Lower and Upper Beth Horon and Uzzen Sheerah 1 Chron 25 Heman three daughters used for the music in the house of the Lord, Proverbs 31 was written by King Lemuels mother. A WOMAN
- The women of the NT
Acts 21:9 There were many women there who were disciples of the Lord, and who prophesied. Romans 16:1 Phoebe, a deaconess of the church at Cenchreae 2 “assist her in whatever business she has need of you;” Luke 1 Elizabeth received the Holy Spirit before the Disciples, commends Mary who sings a song enshrined in scripture! 2 tim 1:5Paul compares Timothys faith to his mother and grandmother as the standard. TEAM Priscilla (Prisca) and Aquila: Priscilla (mentioned first) and her husband Aquila are mentioned multiple times epistles (Romans 16:3-5, 1 Corinthians 16:19, 2 Timothy 4:19). described as fellow workers in the ministry and are credited with hosting church gatherings in their home. Romans 16:7 Junia: Junia is mentioned in Paul’s letter to the Romans as a woman of note among the apostles. Romans 16:6, 12 Mary and Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and Persis: commends Mary for her hard work, as well as Tryphaena, Tryphosa, and Persis for their labors in the Lord. Euodia and Syntyche: (Philippians 4:2-3). encouraged to resolve their differences and live in harmony, Why would Paul waste one word on insignificant women unless involved?Acts 13:50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their regionRomans 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus Acts 16:15 And when she and her household were baptized, she begged us, saying, “If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay.” So she persuaded us. Acts 17:4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas. Matthew 12:50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 15:4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ Titus 2:3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— Acts 21 Philips 4 daughters prophesied publicly. Ephesians 5 calls the whole church a woman- A bride.
- Personal anecdotes
- Submit to any man in this church over You want to honor God? Stay strict on Divorce. Kiss your brothers. Cover your head. Take off your jewelry. No man can exist without a woman. None. How is a woman not involved in the Bride she is named after? Our inability to understand didn’t negate the truth. Women should not be elders or senior pastors. Pastor is just a title. Call women grand leaders and me Bishop.
- If this was clear it would be clear everywhere. We find NO instances. Like Homosexuality- never shown.
- This church is a reflection of our doctrine. You love it here because women lead here. Not wokeism
- We make accommodation in the gospels by interpreting intent, author, time etc. we forgive their inaccuracies because we understand the larger point of the scriptures DIDN’T EVEN COVER IT ALL
- Final thoughts
A woman can be redeemed, be filled with the spirit, speak in tongues, prophecy, be baptized into the body, be the temple of the Lord, with no distinction, with the spirit working in them, with gifts, restored to God, authority over satan, restored to God, with new Life. Co-heirs with Christ ,Abrahams offspring, to reign with him, Will judge the world, Judge the 12 tribes, Sit on the the throne with Jesus , Authority over nations ,Possess the Kingdom , Recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, help at the crucifixion, friend of Jesus, listen to Jesus teaching, healed by Jesus, be praised by Jesus for your faith, forgiven, raised from the dead, Anoint him as Priest forever in the order of Melchizadek, Minister to Christ before and after his resurrection, tell people he’s raised from the Dead. Be a prophetess, be consulted by kings, lead singing and dancing, kill generals, direct the affairs of Kings, Save a nation, sing songs and prayers that go into the bible that are qualified as inspired and useful. Sit at the right hand of kings, be chief, build cities, lead music in the temple, Prophesy, be deaconess and tell men what to do, get the Holy Spirit before the disciples, team up with your husband and preach to kings, be remembered in the scriptures as a hard worker, be a prominent women, a leading woman, be called a sister of Jesus, receive honor from your male children, be called the mother of Jesus for doing his will, be old and teach, BUT THEY MUST REMAIN SILENT in the CHURCH that is a BRIDE? I don’t think so
I’m sure glad Mrs Luther didn’t stay silent. And I don’t think any other women should either.
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